In this episode of Out of Interest, Ali and Muzza sit down with Dr. Ali Abdo — 3x Olympian, osteopath, and one of the most respected wrestling figures in Australia.

From representing Australia on the Olympic stage to now mentoring the next generation of young athletes, Dr. Ali shares a deeply personal journey of sacrifice, discipline, and cultural pride. But more than just athletic success, this conversation explores what’s being lost in today’s combat sports — and why discipline, respect, and character still matter.

Topics covered include:
– What it really takes to reach the Olympics
– Wrestling vs. jiu-jitsu: the technical breakdown
– The brutal reality of cutting weight for competitions
– Whether chiropractors are a scam (from an osteo’s perspective)
– Why Australia doesn’t value athletes like other countries
– The influence of his father and the role of faith
– Wrestling’s role in MMA and modern sport
– What training in Japan taught him about respect and punctuality

Dr. Ali doesn’t just speak from experience - he speaks from the heart. Whether you’re an athlete, coach, parent, or just someone trying to live with more purpose and grit, this episode is a must-listen.

🎧 Available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and all major platforms.

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Hejaz, Australia’s leading financial group, offers a comprehensive suite of Sharia-compliant products and services to the Islamic community. Dive into the world of Islamic finance and discover more about Hejaz Financial Services at:

www.hejazfs.com.au

Hosted by Ali Ozyon:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrozyon/
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali-ozyon-75168285/

Co-Hosted by Muzzammil Dhedhy:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muftimuzza/

Connect with Out of Interest Podcast:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oointerest/
🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@oointerest
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/Out of Interest /
🐦 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/oointerest
🌐 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/oointerest

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For business enquiries or if you have any questions, please email:
aozyon@hejazfs.com.au

Thanks!

This week, we sit down with rising motorsport star James Wharton, an Australian racing driver making waves in Formula 3 with his sights set on Formula 1. From moving to Italy at just 10 years old to joining the Ferrari Driver Academy, James shares his journey, the sacrifices he’s made, and the brutal reality of what it takes to reach the top of motorsport.

In this episode, James gives an inside look at the highly competitive world of junior formula racing, explaining the intense speed jumps from F4 to F3 and why every tenth of a second matters. He breaks down the pay-to-play reality of Formula 1, revealing how sponsorships and financial backing can make or break a driver’s career. As part of Ferrari’s elite program, he talks about the pressure vs. privilege of having the backing of a top team and how that shapes his approach to racing.

James also opens up about the mental and physical demands of competing at the highest level, the loneliness of moving overseas so young, and the European vs. Australian racing mindset. He shares what it was like signing his first F3 contract, the excitement of finally racing in Melbourne, and why Formula racing is more competitive than ever—right down to F4. With a laser focus on reaching F1, he breaks down what he needs to do next and how he plans to make it happen.

A must-watch for F1 fans, motorsport enthusiasts, and anyone who wants to understand what it really takes to climb the ranks of professional racing.

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Hejaz, Australia’s leading financial group, offers a comprehensive suite of Sharia-compliant products and services to the Islamic community. Dive into the world of Islamic finance and discover more about Hejaz Financial Services at:

www.hejazfs.com.au

Hosted by Ali Ozyon:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrozyon/
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali-ozyon-75168285/

Co-Hosted by Muzzammil Dhedhy:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muftimuzza/

Connect with Out of Interest Podcast:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oointerest/
🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@oointerest
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/Out of Interest /
🐦 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/oointerest
🌐 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/oointerest

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For business enquiries or if you have any questions, please email:
aozyon@hejazfs.com.au

Thanks!

2025 marks a defining moment for Hejaz, and this episode is your exclusive behind-the-scenes look at what’s next!

After an unbelievable year of growth, Hejaz Founder & CEO Hakan Ozyon joins the boys for an eye-opening conversation about scaling a business beyond borders, breaking new ground in Islamic finance, and the details behind the companies expansion to Bahrain.

With Hejaz expanding into major global markets, this isn’t just another business update, it’s a blueprint for what’s possible when you push the limits. From building Australia’s only AAOIFI-recognised Islamic finance company to disrupting global markets in the Middle East and London, Hejaz is proving why they are in a league of their own. This episode dives into the risks, rewards, and relentless ambition behind our next big move.

What’s Inside This Episode?

What’s Inside This Episode?

• Scaling from Local to Global – Hakan and the team reveal the challenges of taking Hejaz from a small to medium-sized business to a major international player.
  
  
• The Middle East Demand is Surging – Find out why investors in the Gulf region are welcoming Hejaz with open arms and how their services fill a massive gap in the Islamic finance sector.
  
  
• Exclusive Recognition – Hejaz is the ONLY company in Australia recognized by AAOIFI, the world’s leading Islamic finance regulatory body. Competitors simply can’t match the level of scrutiny and compliance Hejaz has achieved.
  
  
• London Stock Exchange’s Verdict – Muzza shares a jaw-dropping moment from his chat with the London Stock Exchange, where Hejaz was named the largest independent issuer of Islamic ETFs in the world.
  
  
• The Super App is Coming – The Halal Money app is about to revolutionize Islamic finance, bringing all Hejaz services under one powerful digital platform.
  
  
• Why the Middle East is the New Global Hub – The guys break down why so many Westerners are relocating to places like Dubai and Bahrain, from better education, safety, and quality of life to a return to traditional values.
  
  

This episode is a must-listen for anyone wanting a behind-the-scenes look at Hejaz’s evolution, the future of Islamic finance, and why their move overseas is set to change the game. Don’t miss it! 🎧

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Hejaz, Australia’s leading financial group, offers a comprehensive suite of Sharia-compliant products and services to the Islamic community. Dive into the world of Islamic finance and discover more about Hejaz Financial Services at:

www.hejazfs.com.au

Hosted by Ali Ozyon:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mrozyon/
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ali-ozyon-75168285/

Co-Hosted by Muzzammil Dhedhy:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/muftimuzza/

Connect with Out of Interest Podcast:
📷 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/oointerest/
🎵 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@oointerest
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/Out of Interest /
🐦 Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/oointerest
🌐 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/oointerest

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For business enquiries or if you have any questions, please email:
aozyon@hejazfs.com.au

Thanks!