In this episode, Leslie and Angie dive into the murky waters of oligarchy—what it is, how it shows up in history, and why it still shapes our lives today. From ancient Greece to modern-day America, we explore how power concentrated in the hands of a few affects everyone—but especially women and the working class.

Spoiler: It’s not about pie, it’s about power. And no, sprinkles didn’t make it into our utopia.

In this episode, Angie and Leslie unpack what fascism actually is—according to philosopher Jason Stanley’s book How Fascism Works. We focus on one of its core tactics: the “us vs. them” strategy, and why it’s so effective (and dangerous). Then we walk through the ten traits of fascist politics—stuff like propaganda, anti-intellectualism, law and order rhetoric, and sexual anxiety—and connect them to what we’re seeing in American politics right now. So grab your Diet Coke or your Dr. Pepper, settle in, and let’s chat about how to recognize authoritarianism before it takes root—and how knowledge really is power.

Also: Saying big words are hard to say after night shifts. ~Angie

Welcome to the very first episode of Utah Ladies Let’s Chat! In this debut conversation, Angie and Leslie open up about why they started this podcast, their personal journeys growing up in conservative spaces, and what it means to question long-held beliefs. They will also go over being bias and why women especially need to be critical thinkers.