In this episode, we’re heading to Phoenix, Arizona, circa March 13, 1997, where thousands of people looked up and saw something they couldn’t explain. Known today as the Phoenix Lights, this is one of the most famous UFO sightings in modern history — and possibly one of the most misexplained.

Dan is convinced this was a mile-wide alien craft cruising silently across the night sky, blocking out the stars, moving slower than a parade float. Rox, however, proposes a much more grounded theory: that the entire city was high on swamp gas. (To be clear, Phoenix is a desert. Logic has already left the building.)

We dive into the timeline of events — from the mysterious V-shaped craft spotted by trained pilots in Prescott, to the hovering lights caught on dozens of home videos over Phoenix. We talk about the sheer size of what witnesses claimed to see, how slowly it moved, and the utter silence that came with it.

Was it a stealth aircraft? Flares dropped by the military? A mass hallucination? Or a visit from something not-of-this-world that nobody has explained, even 25 years later?

As usual, expect:

• Poorly researched but passionately delivered arguments

• Suspicious amounts of confidence in dubious sources

• A couple disagreeing their way through UFO history with love and sarcasm

So grab your tinfoil hats, hold your breath in case it’s methane, and get ready for Uninformational Factoid Observers, Episode 4 — where the lights were real, the explanations weren’t, and someone probably owes Arizona an apology