Alex Duke, Director of Training and Sending at 3rd Avenue Baptist Church and Senior Editor at 9 Marks joins the podcast. Kyle and Alex discuss the perils of separating youth from the larger Church body as well as some principles healthy churches should strive for. They cover topics like communion, baptism, membership and more. Alex and Kyle agree that healthy churches are likelier to produce lasting disciples. Alex explains the goals of expository preaching and encourages youth pastors to stick around for the long haul as we never know what kind of seeds we are planting and what work the Holy Spirit will do later in the lives of the students we've ministered to.

In a first for our podcast, Kyle invites one of his students to join the conversation. Kyle and Malachi have read 15 theology books together of the last 4 years. Together they discuss what this looked like, what some of Malachi's favorite books have been, and how Malachi has grown. Throw in some fun banter about Ohio State vs. Penn State, a snake being brought to a recent youth group meeting, and how Malachi and his friends "bet" on how long the Sunday morning sermons will be, and it makes for a fun and lively discussion. More importantly, the conversation provides encouragement to other youth leaders who might want to try reading theology books with students. It is possible! And this episode provides an example to show the way.

Kyle and youth pastor RJ McCauley of Magnolia Church in California have a great discussion about sermon illustrations. They use the book "Illustrating Well: Preaching Sermons That Connect" by Jim Wilson as a discussion prompt. They talk about when to use illustrations, how to determine if an illustration is worth while to use in the first place, whether we should limit the number of illustrations we use, and more. Ultimately, they stress that illustrations should always point back to the text we're trying to teach.