The Messy Birth of Rebellion: Andor, Movement Strategy & Restorative Resistance with Gabes Torres
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The Messy Birth of Rebellion: Andor, Movement Strategy & Restorative Resistance with Gabes Torres
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What can a Star Wars show teach us about organizing, resistance, and healing? In this episode of the Amplify RJ Podcast, I sit down with strategist, therapist, and writer Gabes Torres to talk about Andor—yes, that Star Wars show—and what it reveals about real-life revolution.
We dive into how Andor de-romanticizes rebellion and reflects the complex realities of movement work: the banality of evil, conflict in organizing, disposability culture, and the painful but necessary tension between rest and resistance. Gabes shares insights from their piece on the show, their organizing and healing work in the Global South, and the ways marine mammals and myth can inform our strategy.
Whether or not you’ve seen the show, this conversation is about so much more than the galaxy far, far away—it’s about our world and how we build toward collective liberation with nuance, integrity, and care.
0:00 – Intro: What is Andor + Character Breakdown
5:20 – Meet Gabes Torres: Healer, Strategist, Rebel
9:42 – How Andor De-Romanticizes Revolution
14:20 – Disney, Propaganda & Revolutionary Storytelling
19:35 – The Banality of Evil in a Boardroom
25:00 – Real-World Parallels: Propaganda, Gaza, Gorman & Genocide
26:45 – Parenting, Powerlessness & Purpose
29:21 – Consciousness Building as Resistance
32:20 – Gabes on Luthen, Clea & Strategy in Movement
36:42 – Bix, Trauma & Knowing When to Step Back
40:28 – Organizing Through Burnout & Wavering Commitment
44:30 – Humananizing vs. Ruthless Sacrifice
47:40 – Disposability Culture in Movements
49:10 – Disagreeing Is Not a Failure of Solidarity
52:00 – Addressing Conflict & Building in Organizing
56:20 – Is there Shared Vision for Our Resistance?
1:00:23 – Activist Ecosystems, Movement Mentorship from Marine Mammals
1:07:30 – Upside Down Triangle: Rethinking Power
1:08:50 – Support Gabes & Psychosocial Care for Organizers
Connect with Gabes:
https://gabestorres.com/
https://www.instagram.com/gabestorres/
Read her article:
https://gabestorres.substack.com/p/andor
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