What if magic wasn’t just smoke and mirrors, but a doorway into deeper faith? What if curiosity wasn’t something to outgrow, but something to reclaim — even in your walk with Jesus? In this episode, we explore the intersection of illusion, inquiry, and intimacy with God, and how wonder may be one of the most powerful evangelistic tools we’ve overlooked. In this unforgettable conversation, Dr. Zach Clinton and guest co-host Joshua Broome sit down with Drew Worsham, an acclaimed illusionist, author, and pastor who has spent over 20 years integrating magic and ministry in a way that captivates audiences and points them to Christ.

Together, they dive into: how illusions can reveal truth rather than distract from it; the power of childlike faith and spiritual curiosity; why Jesus was the most curious person to walk the earth and how that shaped His relationships; how wonder, empathy, and questioning can deepen our relationship with God and others; practical ways to rekindle awe in an age of cynicism; and Drew’s new book, The Magic of Curiosity, and his heart behind it. Whether you’re a skeptic, seeker, or seasoned believer, this episode will challenge your assumptions and reignite your awe.

Connect with Drew Worsham

📖 The Magic of Curiosity (Book): https://www.drewworsham.com/the-magic-of-curiosity

🏠 The Rim Church (San Antonio, TX): https://www.therim.church

📲 Drew Worsham’s Website & Speaking Inquiries: https://www.drewworsham.com

📸 Instagram: @drewworsham

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In this powerful and personal episode of The Built Different Podcast, Dr. Zach sits down with Meredith Andrews to talk about what it really means to worship through suffering. Known for her anthems of faith and honesty, Meredith opens up about her journey of learning to praise in the valley, not just the victory. Together, Zach and Meredith unpack what it looks like to choose worship as a response — even when emotions are raw and circumstances don’t make sense. They explore why worship is often most powerful in the valley, how praise helps us anchor to God's character in the middle of pain, what it looks like to remember God’s faithfulness when you're tempted to forget, the beauty of raw, real worship that doesn’t fake it — but presses through it, and the stories behind some of Meredith’s most vulnerable songs. This episode is for anyone who feels like lifting their hands is the last thing they want to do — but who’s ready to experience the healing power of God’s presence again.

🔗 Links & Resources

• 🎶 Listen to Meredith’s latest music: https://www.meredithandrews.com/
• 📱 Follow Meredith on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/meremusic/
• 💿 Explore worship resources and tour info: https://www.meredithandrews.com

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In this episode of The Built Different Podcast, Dr. Zach sits down with Zach Windahl, a Bible teacher and the creator of The Brand Sunday, to talk about his brand new book The Bible Simplified. Known for helping people overcome fear and confusion when it comes to Scripture, Zach shares how his own spiritual journey shaped his passion to make the Bible accessible, clear, and transformational for this generation. Together they discuss why the Bible often feels intimidating or overwhelming, the theme of grace that weaves through the entire biblical story, Zach’s personal testimony of going from confusion to calling, practical tools and mindset shifts for understanding, digesting, and living the Word, and how to move from knowledge to transformation through a relationship with Christ. Whether you're new to the Bible or just want to fall in love with it again, this conversation will encourage, equip, and refresh your faith.

🔗 Resources & Links

• 📘 Get the Book – The Bible Simplified: https://shorturl.at/zxsU4
• 📱 Follow Zach Windahl on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/zachwindahl
• 📚 Explore all resources from The Brand Sunday: https://www.thebrandsunday.com

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As we celebrate Independence Day and the incredible freedoms we enjoy in the United States, this special 4th of July episode of the Built Different Podcast invites you into a deeper conversation on the freedom that lasts — the kind that goes beyond borders and fireworks and reaches deep into the soul. Today’s guest is best-selling author, Bible teacher, and joy-warrior Margaret Feinberg, who joins us to discuss her latest book, The God You Need to Know. While our national freedom is preserved through sacrifice and service, spiritual freedom is offered through surrender and relationship — a gift from a God who wants to be known. Through the lens of Margaret’s powerful book, we explore how the Holy Spirit brings liberty, empowerment, healing, and joy into every part of our lives. This episode isn’t just about celebrating freedom — it’s about experiencing it.

🔗 Website: https://margaretfeinberg.com
📚 Book: The God You Need to Know – https://shorturl.at/6c1zj
📸 Instagram: @mafeinberg
🎥 Bible Study Resources: https://www.margaretfeinbergstore.com/collections/all

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In this powerful episode of The Built Different Podcast, host Zach Clinton welcomes Ryan Dobson — speaker, author, son of Dr. James Dobson, and co-founder of REBEL Parenting. Ryan opens up about what it was like growing up in one of America’s most well-known Christian families, the pressure and privilege of following in his father’s footsteps, and how he found his own voice through years of struggle, growth, and raw honesty.

But this conversation goes deeper. Ryan shares the deeply personal journey of walking alongside his wife, Laura, as she battles cancer — and how their faith, marriage, and mission have been reshaped in the fire. As June marks Men’s Mental Health Awareness Month, this episode offers a timely and tender reminder of the strength found in vulnerability, the power of presence, and the importance of knowing where to turn when life gets heavy.

Whether you’re a husband, a father, a son, or just someone looking for hope in the hard places — this episode is for you.

Links & Resources:

• Learn more about REBEL Parenting & support their ministry & journey: https://www.rebelparenting.org

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In this bold and deeply needed conversation, Dr. Zach Clinton and co-host Joshua Broome sit down with Pastor Joby Martin—founding pastor of The Church of Eleven22 and author of the new book Stand Firm and Act Like Men. Together, they unpack the urgent difference between cultural masculinity and biblical manhood, calling men to reject passivity, embrace godly responsibility, and lead with courage, humility, and purpose. The conversation explores why suffering in silence is not strength, how community sharpens character, and what it means to leave a legacy that actually matters. Whether you're navigating manhood, mentoring others, or longing to be a man after God’s own heart—this episode is for you.

👉 Learn more about Pastor Joby Martin: https://www.jobymartin.com
⛪ Check out The Church of Eleven22: https://www.coe22.com
📖 Preorder Stand Firm and Act Like Men: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1546008217

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In this heartfelt and hope-filled conversation, Dr. Zach Clinton and co-host Joshua Broome sit down with bestselling author and speaker Justin Whitmel Earley to explore how the habits we form within our households, the friendships we cultivate, and the way we suffer together all serve as sacred ground for spiritual formation. Drawing from his books Habits of the Household, Made for People, and the children’s book The Big Mess, Justin shares powerful insight on biblical parenting, the healing gift of deep relationships, and how shared suffering—rather than isolating us—can actually sanctify us. Whether you're a parent, a friend, or someone navigating pain, this episode will encourage and equip you to lean into God and others with greater intention and grace.

👉 Learn more about Justin and his work: https://www.justinwhitmelearley.com
📚 Grab his books on Amazon:
• Habits of the Household
• Made for People
• The Big Mess

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In this inspiring episode, we sit down with Pastor Tim Timberlake, Senior Pastor of Celebration Church, to delve into the profound topics of legacy, purpose, and resilience. Pastor Tim shares his insights on the importance of expending every ounce of our God-given purpose, stepping up in the face of adversity for our families, and the transformative power of encouraging and serving others.

Drawing from his personal journey and experiences, Pastor Tim emphasizes the significance of intentional living and the impact of our daily choices. He discusses how embracing our roles with courage and faith can lead to a lasting legacy that influences generations. This conversation is a heartfelt reminder that our actions today shape the future, and by uplifting others, we find renewal ourselves.

Whether you're seeking motivation to live purposefully or guidance on leading your family through challenges, this episode offers valuable wisdom and encouragement.

🔗 Connect with Pastor Tim Timberlake:

• 🌐 Tim Timberlake Ministries
• 📖 The Power of 1440: Making the Most of Every Minute in a Day – Available on Amazon
• 📖 The Art of Overcoming: Letting God Turn Your Endings into Beginnings – Available on Amazon

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