For Episode 72, host Pierre Ferland sits down with Dr. Ignacio Sánchez Recarte, Secretary General of the Comité Européen des Entreprises Vins (CEEV), and a key voice behind VitæVino—a grassroots campaign defending wine culture and the idea that a glass of wine can be more than just alcohol in a fancy glass.

Together, they uncork a lively and important conversation about what many are calling the “war on wine.” They break down the shaky science behind studies like the 2018 Lancet report, the confusing way risk statistics are used, and the growing trend of lumping wine in with truly harmful substances like asbestos and radiation. Yes, that’s actually happening.

Dr. Sánchez Recarte explains why wine should be seen as a cultural and agricultural product—something rooted in tradition, community, and moderation. The episode dives into topics like gut health, the J-curve, changing public policies, media messaging, and why we need a more balanced, fact-based approach to the conversation around wine and health.

Whether you’re in the wine trade, a fan of good food and drink, or just curious about what’s behind the headlines, this episode will give you plenty to think—and maybe drink—about.

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In this episode, we swap vineyards for velvety service as we sit down with New Zealand’s only Master Sommelier, Cameron Douglas. From decoding restaurant wine lists to mastering food and wine pairings (yes, there’s a “cashew test”), Cameron shares a lifetime of expertise in hospitality, sensory training, and beverage curation. We tackle misconceptions about sommeliers, the changing face of wine consumption, and why palate disruption is key to understanding flavour. It’s an insightful, spirited masterclass you won’t want to miss.

This is just the beginning. Visit readbetweenthewinespodcast.com for bonus material of exclusive content with Cameron—available only on our website. You’ll find deeper reflections on wine culture, strategies for expanding global wine markets, and more of Cameron’s unmatched wisdom.

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For Episode 70, we return to South Africa for the first time in almost four years, and we do so in grand fashion—by visiting Jordan Wines Estate in Stellenbosch. Owned by husband-and-wife duo Kathy and Gary Jordan, this estate is a benchmark of excellence, seamlessly blending tradition, science, and sustainability in winemaking.

In this episode, we explore Jordan’s Timepiece Range, a tribute to their heritage and old vines, and discuss how Gary’s background in geology has shaped their vineyard’s unique terroir. Kathy shares insights on economics in wine marketing, while Gary reveals their bold approach to combat climate change, including pioneering plantings of Assyrtiko, Mencía, and Xinomavro.

We also dive into winemaking as an art versus a science, the evolution of consumer preferences, and the challenges South African vintners face today—from climate adaptation to international trade barriers. Plus, an exclusive look at their UK project, Mousehall Country Estate, where they are crafting world-class still wines in England. An inspiring conversation with two visionaries shaping the future of wine. Don’t miss it!

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For Episode 69, we’re, of course, staying in the world of wine, but we’re casting a wider net. What happens when a wine-loving sommelier finds herself stuck at home during a global pandemic? If you’re Sanna Yamit Viitaoja-Malmberg, you don’t just pass the time with jigsaw puzzles—you turn them into a global business.

In this episode, we uncork the fascinating story behind Water & Wines, the wine-themed puzzle company that took the world by storm. What started as a way to stay mentally engaged while recovering from severe COVID soon became a runaway success, with thousands of puzzles flying off the shelves in just weeks. Yamit takes us through the journey—from an idea sketched on a kitchen table to a brand now selling in over 40 countries.

We also delve into why Water & Wines puzzles feel so different (spoiler: obsessive attention to detail), the importance of play in wine education, and how sustainability is at the heart of their business. Oh, and if you've ever wondered whether Italy or France reigns supreme in the puzzle world, we’ve got the answer.

So, pour yourself a glass, grab a puzzle piece (or two), and join us for a delightful conversation that proves wine and playfulness are the perfect match.

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For Episode 68, we pop the cork on a sparkling conversation with Wendy Outhwaite, co-founder of Ambriel, an English sparkling wine producer with a serious commitment to quality—and a playful side to match. Nestled in the rolling hills of West Sussex, Ambriel crafts wines with a “palate, not wallet” approach, letting patience and precision take the lead (some bottles rest on lees for over six years before they make their grand debut).

Wendy takes us behind the scenes of Ambriel’s journey—from a five-year quest to find the perfect vineyard to embracing greensand terroir that’s as rare as it is remarkable. We chat about hand-picking, blind blending, and why the Outhwaites refuse to let their wines leave the estate until they’re truly ready. And of course, we dive into Ambriel’s spirited branding—think corks stamped with ‘Huzzah!’ and a name that gives a nod to angels, ambrosia, and a certain quip from Pope Gregory.

With Wendy’s razor-sharp wit and infectious passion, this episode is a proper toast to English fizz. So grab a glass, settle in, and let’s raise a hearty Huzzah! to the future of British bubbles.

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For Episode 67, get ready to uncork a truly special episode of Read Between the Wines! Host Pierre Ferland sits down with the charming and insightful Santiago Marone Cinzano of Col d’Orcia, a 10th-generation winemaker with a story as rich and complex as the Brunello di Montalcino his family has perfected for centuries.

Santiago spills the secrets of transforming Col d’Orcia into Tuscany’s largest organic winery—a “biological oasis” where tradition meets innovation. From their meticulous organic practices to the unique Val d’Orcia terroir, this episode dives deep into what makes Col d’Orcia a beacon of sustainability and quality.

But here’s the twist: patience isn’t just a virtue—it’s practically a religion at Col d’Orcia. Santiago reveals La Filosofia della Pazienza (the philosophy of patience), a mindset that turns waiting into an art form, proving that the best things in life—like a perfectly aged Brunello—are worth the wait.

Whether you’re a Brunello aficionado or simply love a great story, this episode is an absolute treat. Tune in and let Santiago’s passion for wine inspire your next pour! Finally, we offer bonus material - over 30 minutes of conversation with Santiago exclusively on our website.

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For Episode 66, Read Between the Wines ventures to New Zealand, uncovering the story of Dog Point Vineyard in Marlborough with General Manager Matt Sutherland. As the son of the winery’s founders, Margaret and Ivan Sutherland, Matt grew up immersed in the family business before carving his own path in wine management and sales across New Zealand, Australia, and London. Returning home, Matt brought a global perspective to Dog Point, helping to cement its reputation as a pioneer in organic and sustainable winemaking.

In this episode, Matt delves into Dog Point’s unique approach, from handpicking fruit to crafting wines with low intervention techniques. He shares the journey of converting their vineyards to certified organic practices, explaining how soil health, biodiversity, and a deep respect for the land underpin their philosophy. Listeners will discover how Dog Point’s terroir, a combination of hillside blocks and clay-laden soils, contributes to the elegance and complexity of their Sauvignon Blanc, Chardonnay, and Pinot Noir.

The conversation also explores New Zealand’s wine industry, its rapid rise to prominence, and the distinctive profiles of Marlborough wines. Matt reflects on the challenges of modern winemaking, shifting consumer demands, and Dog Point’s commitment to creating wines that cellar beautifully and tell a story of place and tradition.

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For Episode 65 of Read Between the Wines, we dive into the heart of Ontario’s Niagara Escarpment to explore Flat Rock Cellars, a winery celebrated for its unique terroir, sustainable practices, and boundary-pushing winemaking. Joining us is Ed Madronich, Flat Rock’s passionate and visionary President, who shares the story behind the winery’s name—born from the limestone rocks unearthed during vineyard preparation—and its commitment to producing wines that authentically reflect the land.

This episode uncovers the distinctive features of the Twenty Mile Bench, from its deep limestone soils to its latitude, which rivals Burgundy and Bordeaux. Ed offers fascinating insights into how these factors, combined with Flat Rock’s innovative and sustainable approach, enable the creation of award-winning wines like their Twisted blend and Rieslings, which have garnered international acclaim.

Listeners will learn about Flat Rock’s dedication to breaking down barriers in the wine world, championing education and accessibility over pretension. We also delve into their experimental projects, such as "Project Nature Nurture," which explores how fermentation techniques shape wine profiles.

Ed's deep respect for tradition, paired with his drive for innovation, ensures Flat Rock remains a leader in showcasing the potential of Canadian wine. Whether you're a wine geek or a casual enthusiast, this episode offers something truly special.

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