In this episode, we dive into the world of private credit and its relationship with private equity. Our hosts, Rory, Emily and Ed, share their expertise on the differences and similarities between these two asset classes.

Key Takeaways:
Private credit refers to debt financing that is not publicly traded and is typically provided by private companies or investors.

Private credit is not a new phenomenon, but its terminology has become more prominent in recent years as a separation from traditional banking and debt financing.

Private credit is often used in conjunction with private equity, and both asset classes share similar players, such as limited partners (LPs) and endowments.

The risk profile of private credit is different from private equity, with private credit being generally less risky but offering lower returns.

The capital stack is a key concept in private credit, with different levels of risk and return, including senior secured, mezzanine, and equity.

Private credit can be used to provide financing for companies that may not be able to access traditional bank debt or may need additional capital to support growth.

Private Credit vs. Private Equity:
Private credit provides steady cash flows through monthly or quarterly interest payments, whereas private equity returns are typically realized through a lump sum at the end of the investment period.

Private credit is generally less risky than private equity, but offers lower returns.

Private credit can be used to balance a portfolio by providing a steady income stream, whereas private equity is often used for growth and upside potential.

Private Credit Market:
The private credit market is growing rapidly, with assets under management expected to exceed $10 trillion by 2032.

Private credit funds are used to provide debt financing to companies, and can be structured in various ways, including mezzanine debt and preferred equity.

The private credit market is less regulated than traditional banking, offering more flexibility in structuring and terms.

Takeaways for LPs:
Private credit can be an attractive option for LPs looking for steady cash flows and reduced risk.

Private credit can be used to balance a portfolio by providing a steady income stream.

LPs should consider private credit as a complement to private equity investments.

Final Thoughts:
Private credit is not a new asset class, but its terminology has become more prominent in recent years.

Private credit offers a unique combination of risk and return, and can be used to support growth and provide steady cash flows.

LPs and investors should consider private credit as a viable option in their investment portfolios.

Who We Are

If we haven’t met before—Hi! We’re a team of professionals who’ve worked together at multiple companies, seen private equity from all sides, and are here to share what we’ve learned to help you succeed. Ed Barton brings decades of tax and financial strategy experience; Rory Liebhart is a finance and M&A pro with a track record of high-growth exits; and Emily Sander is a former Chief of Staff, multi-time author, podcast host, and founder of Next Level Coaching, helping leaders and organizations accelerate their growth.

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Summary:
In this episode, the hosts discuss the current economic environment, tariffs, and their impact on private equity. They also explore the concept of "trapped equity" and how it affects private equity firms. The conversation touches on the uncertainty created by tariffs, the risk premium required, and how it changes the dynamics of buying and selling assets.

Key Takeaways:
Tariffs create uncertainty: Tariffs lead to uncertainty, which can result in inaction and trepidation among investors and private equity firms.

Trapped equity: Trapped equity refers to assets that have appreciated in value but are difficult to sell or liquidate due to market conditions.

Impact on private equity: Tariffs and economic uncertainty can decrease transaction volume, making it harder for private equity firms to sell assets and return capital to investors.

Risk premium: The risk premium required by investors increases in uncertain times, making it more expensive for private equity firms to finance deals.

LPs want liquidity: Limited partners (LPs) want to see liquidity and returns on their investments, which can put pressure on private equity firms to sell assets.

Contrarian opportunities: In a recession, some private equity firms may see opportunities to buy distressed assets at lower prices.

Predictions:
Tariff situation: The hosts predict that the tariff situation will improve because it cannot get much worse.

Recession likelihood: Ed predicts a 100% chance of a recession in the next 18 months, while Rory agrees that it's almost inevitable.

Recession depth: The hosts believe that the recession will not be as severe as the 2008 financial crisis and that there will be intervention to mitigate its effects.

Advice for Founders and Private Equity Firms:
Be prepared for uncertainty: Founders and private equity firms should be prepared to navigate uncertain market conditions.

Look for contrarian opportunities: In a recession, look for opportunities to buy distressed assets at lower prices.

Vet private equity firms: Founders should carefully vet private equity firms and consider their investment thesis and approach in uncertain markets.

Conclusion:
The hosts conclude that private equity firms will continue to adapt to changing market conditions and that there will always be opportunities for innovation and deal-making. They also emphasize the importance of being prepared for uncertainty and looking for contrarian opportunities in a recession.

Who We Are

If we haven’t met before—Hi! We’re a team of professionals who’ve worked together at multiple companies, seen private equity from all sides, and are here to share what we’ve learned to help you succeed. Ed Barton brings decades of tax and financial strategy experience; Rory Liebhart is a finance and M&A pro with a track record of high-growth exits; and Emily Sander is a former Chief of Staff, multi-time author, podcast host, and founder of Next Level Coaching, helping leaders and organizations accelerate their growth.

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What happens to leadership teams when private equity enters the picture? In this revealing episode of The Private Equity Experience, Emily Sander, Rory Liebhart, and Ed Barton discuss the dramatic shifts that occur when PE firms acquire companies. Drawing from their battle-scarred experiences, they explore how founders navigate new stakeholder relationships, why CFOs often become CEOs, and the critical importance of meeting financial covenants. Learn why "business as usual" isn't an option, why flash reports become non-negotiable, and how to identify hidden talent during reorganization. Whether you're a founder considering a PE partnership or an executive navigating post-acquisition waters, this episode offers invaluable strategies to survive and thrive when the deal closes.

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Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Post-Deal Changes
01:04 Initial Leadership Changes
04:32 Navigating Founder and CEO Transitions
09:43 Collaborative Solutions and Team Dynamics
11:27 The Role of Chief of Staff
15:34 Legal and Insurance Considerations
29:25 Recognizing and Promoting Hidden Talent

Who We Are

If we haven’t met before—Hi! We’re a team of professionals who’ve worked together at multiple companies, seen private equity from all sides, and are here to share what we’ve learned to help you succeed. Ed Barton brings decades of tax and financial strategy experience; Rory Liebhart is a finance and M&A pro with a track record of high-growth exits; and Emily Sander is a former Chief of Staff, multi-time author, podcast host, and founder of Next Level Coaching, helping leaders and organizations accelerate their growth.

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