Martin Stelzer is a real estate investor, childhood friend of Jack's, and fellow member of the men's group "Parium." In this episode, Jack and Martin discuss becoming a real estate investor, house hacking, becoming involved in new business ventures, preparing for the unexpected, the benefit of fraternities, sobriety, and what the men's group "Parium" means to them.

0:00 - Intro
3:03 - Aspirations in real estate
5:20 - House hacking
6:37 - Preparing for the unexpected
10:05 - Residential vs commercial real estate investing
20:59 - Taking out loans to invest in property
25:27 - What happens after you get a loan
34:41 - How much should you charge for rent?
40:26 - Buying his first property during covid
49:42 - Martin and Jack's friendship growing up
55:09 - Forming bonds with people
57:07 - The rituals of fraternities
58:28 - How a lawyer helped their fraternity
1:00:52 - Religion and traditional living
1:07:00 - Developing confidence in college
1:09:20 - Drinking and sobriety
1:16:42 - What is Parium?

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Evan is a longtime friend of Jack and a paramedic fireman with multiple family members in the fire department. In this episode, Jack and Evan discuss the beginning of their friendship, Evan's upbringing and what role that played in the man he is today, Evan's experience as a paramedic, Evan's family members' experience in the fire department, and Evan's interest in mixed martial arts.

0:00 - Intro
1:31 - Why Evan loves MMA and the UFC
4:31 - How Jack and Evan became friends
6:38 - How friendships change over time
9:51 - Who Evan is now as opposed to who he was a couple years ago
12:08 - Rank structure in fire departments
13:10 - His dad let him fuck up (school of hard knocks)
22:16 - Two people had sex on top of a newborn
24:20 - “I'm a paramedic, I'm the highest level of care, if I fuck up I lose my license and someone dies.”
28:22 - “Grey's anatomy is not real.”
29:39 - Weed and alcohol
36:11 - What made Evan become a paramedic
43:07 - What Evan has going on in life now

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Beginning at only 9 years old, Zach Babcock spent much of his childhood in juvenile detention centers, rehabs, psych wards, and boys homes. He later spent 5 years in prison as a young adult. Since his release, Zach has become a husband, a father, and a successful entrepreneur dedicated to helping other men heal unresolved trauma, become better leaders, and grow their own businesses.

0:00 - Intro
1:38 - How Zach's story began
5:52 - Discussing his father's death
8:20 - Going to rehab and a psych ward as a child
10:15 - Processing his childhood trauma as an adult
14:56 - Does anyone really have life figured out?
19:42 - Discussing his prison sentence
27:18 - Finding out his sister died during his sentence
32:29 - How Zach reacted to his mom dating after his father died
33:40 - What Zach admired about his father
35:41 - Culture shock and readjusting after being released from prison
39:36 - Someone fractured Zach's son's skull while he was in prison
43:53 - How MDMA therapy helped Zach process his experienced trauma
50:15 - Difficulties facing his darkness
56:56 - What is a real man?
1:02:23 - Zach talks about his tattoos
1:03:24 - Building his brand: Alpha Underdog

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