In this powerful conversation, counsellor and family therapist Katherine Prefol shares her deeply personal journey of parenting through pain.

She explores what it means to raise children while navigating the wounds of a difficult childhood — and the grief of losing not only her parents, but her daughter as well. Katherine speaks with honesty and warmth about holding space for both love and loss, and what it means to keep mothering through it all.

Our first interview features a real-life mother: Dr Rebecca Stewart. When she’s not writing her doctoral thesis on healthier masculinities through the lens of gender equality, she’s being an incredible mum — and generously chatting with us bozos about the realities of building a blended family.

Bec shares what it was like stepping into a parental role for two children during the uncertainty of COVID, before getting pregnant with her own. She opens up about the challenges, the joys, and how she manages to bring it all together.

Here our Mumma’s Boys take a moment to reflect on where exactly this podcast has led.

It’s a momentary reflection on what two 30-odd white guys, who’s mums died of cancer, can achieve by revisiting traumatic memories.

Sounds like sunshine and rainbows, and maybe it is, some of it at least.