Stepping out of the wood, out of the dark, out of the night, the so-cast pod is back for a chat about the surprising parallels between Wicked and My So-Called Life! Sure, Winnie Holzman is one of the main writers behind both projects, so it makes sense that they'd have some things in common -- and we go deep on all of it, from the costumes to the music to the original novel.

Guests this week: Costumer Samantha Rei; Scottish comedian Scott Pirie, and media historian Terrence Moss. Plus, from the Sewers of Paris archives, my 2019 interview with Gregory Maguire -- the author of the novel on which the musical Wicked is based! And then James and I share some of our own Ozian experiences.

Also, here's a link to the Wicked video that Samantha Rei mentioned in our conversation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd7bOTZCYT4

I'm chatting with a super exciting guest this week: It's the delightful Senta Moses, who played Delia Fisher on My So-Called Life! We talk about her early career, the inspiration for her performance, the real-life confession that may have influenced the coming-out scene in the finale, and even take a peek at her original script notes for insights into how she tackled the role. Amazing!!!

And then, James and I reflect not just on this conversation, but on what the show has meant to us over the years; on how this podcast has changed the way that we look at the show; and about what lies ahead, now that it's our time to get out onto a metaphorical gymnasium floor to dance in defiance.

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When last we left Angela and Brian and Rickie and Rayanne and all their friends, they were in the early days of 1995 and at a point of no return in their teen lives. So what's happened to them in the intervening 30 years? On this week's episode, we have a reunion episode of sorts, with a roundup of past guests speculating on where the characters might have found themselves. And then James and I explore a few more possibilities -- from talking cars to communes to a secret relationship with J.D. Salinger, anything's possible.

- 80s TV Ladies: https://www.80stvladies.com

- Ryan O'Connor: https://www.instagram.com/ryanoconnor1981

- Virginia Sole-Smith: https://virginiasolesmith.com

- Kerri Doherty and H. Alan Scott on Out on the Lanai: https://www.patreon.com/goldengirlspodcast/about

- Drew Droege: https://www.instagram.com/drew_droege

- Guy Branum: https://guybranum.com

- BenDeLaCreme: https://www.bendelacreme.com

- Trevor with Media Processing: https://www.youtube.com/@mediaprocessingchannel

- Sam Pirie: https://www.instagram.com/sampvevo