What do you value in a leader?

Joining Sarah Grynberg this week is John Kelly, CEO of Southern Cross Austereo and a profound thinker who believes in the transformative power of storytelling and philosophy. A longtime supporter of the podcast, John shares how life’s most challenging moments—including his son’s cancer diagnosis—have shaped his approach to leadership and his understanding of what truly matters.

In this deeply moving conversation, John and Sarah explore the shift from fear-based leadership to one rooted in empathy, authenticity, and connection. They discuss the wisdom philosophy brings to modern life, the strength found in vulnerability, and how life’s hardships can lead to profound growth.

Let this episode inspire you to lead with integrity, reflect deeply, and navigate your own challenges with resilience and humanity, embracing the courage to make a difference both in business and in life.

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