What’s the difference between what is and what ought to be? Rona Lewis and Jeffrey Hansler dive headfirst into the wonderfully wonky world of positive vs. normative thinking—and come up gasping for air, laughter, and just a bit of existential dread.

Of course, Jeffrey brings up the U.S. national debt, which has ballooned to $36 trillion—a number so large, even AI responds with “lol, good luck.” Rona banters back, sometimes without even saying a word. It’s all in the look—and as we learned from Zoolander, there may only be one look… but it still speaks volumes.

The duo also riff on Philip Tetlock’s sobering reminder that humans are pretty awful at predicting the future—which explains both the popularity of astrology apps and your coworker’s crypto investments.

Expect a lively, rapid-fire conversation in true Weekend Update style, as our hosts balance economic theory, leadership insight, and absurdist humor like it's a panel discussion moderated by a caffeinated philosopher.

Whether you're leading a team, forecasting a budget, or just trying to figure out if you should buy Dogecoin again (spoiler: no), this episode offers something for your brain and your funny bone.

Tune in for a conversation that’s thoughtful, thought-provoking, and positively… normative.