Clint Leavitt believes that every great story we love is actually pointing us toward something bigger. As pastor of Midtown Presbyterian Church in Phoenix, he's discovered how fiction can serve as shadows of the deepest reality, and how narratives can pierce through our purely rational defences to reach the heart. His approach to ministry focuses on creating space for sceptics, deconstructors, and question-askers, building trust through shared stories and artistic mediums rather than demanding immediate belief.

In this conversation, Clint shares his journey from selling flip books on elementary school playgrounds to becoming a Tomatometer-approved film critic, pastor, and author. His latest book, "Cockroaches, God, Death, and Mangos," tells the remarkable refugee story of his friend from the Democratic Republic of Congo, one of the bloodiest conflicts in world history since World War II. Through this friendship, Clint discovered how western colonization continues to impact current refugee crises, and how the church is called to expand its vision beyond national borders to embrace God's heart for the marginalised and displaced.

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