Everybody wants to change the world, but can we actually make a difference?

In the first episode of our Transforming Business podcast series with Martin Parker, Jane Holgate and John Page, authors of Changemakers: Radical Strategies for Social Movement Organising, discuss the power of activism and challenge the belief that change is impossible.

They explore the distinction between mobilising and organising, the role of optimism in driving social change and how we can actively contribute to meaningful transformation in our communities.

Hosted by leading organization studies professor Martin Parker (University of Bristol), Transforming Business is a new series from Transforming Society, featuring in-depth conversations with top experts in work, economy, finance, employment, leadership, responsible and sustainable business, innovation, organising and activism. These insightful interviews explore fresh ideas and bold strategies for creating a more ethical and equitable business world. Tune in to challenge conventions, spark innovation and drive meaningful change.

Jane Holgate is Professor of Work and Employment Relations at the University of Leeds and a Trustee of the Ella Baker School of Organising. John Page serves on the committee of the Ella Baker School of Organising.

Find out more about the book at: https://policy.bristoluniversitypress.co.uk/trade/changemakers

The transcript is available here: https://www.transformingsociety.co.uk/2025/03/19/podcast-changemaking-and-radical-hope-in-times-of-crisis/

Timestamps:

01:27 - Why is optimism important when thinking about social change?

03:43 - What about people who say this will never change?

06:46 - What is the distinction between mobilising and organising?

11:02 - What is the metaphor of the spider versus the starfish?

14:53 - How do you understand leadership?

17:41 - Can you reflect on the idea of giving people a sense they can participate actively in forms of social change?

21:12 - Can you talk about the difference between Saul Alinsky and Myles Horton's approaches?

27:12 - Who do you hope will buy this book? Who would you like to read it?

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