Thomas Dohmke, CEO of GitHub, joins Azeem to explore how AI is fundamentally transforming software development. In this episode you'll hear:

• (01:50) What’s left for developers in the age of AI?
• (04:54) How GitHub Copilot unlocks flow state
• (07:09) Three big shifts in how engineers work today
• (10:47) Is software development art or assembly line?
• (15:26) Why developers are climbing the abstraction ladder
• (19:35) Have we already lost control of the code?
• (23:15) What it’s actually like to work with AI coding agents
• (39:35) Welcome to the age of ultra-personalized software
• (45:37) Building the next-generation web

Thomas's links:

• GitHub: https://github.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashtom/
• Twitter/X: https://x.com/ashtom

Azeem's links:

• Substack: https://www.exponentialview.co/
• Website: https://www.azeemazhar.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/azhar
• Twitter/X: https://x.com/azeem

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Aaron Levie, CEO & co-founder of Box, joins Azeem Azhar to explore how an “AI-first” mindset is reshaping every layer of Box – from product road-maps to pricing – and what that teaches the rest of us about building faster, smarter organisations.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Episode trailer

(02:04) The "lump of labor fallacy" in sci-fi books

(07:37) When individual productivity gains don’t translate to teams

(12:32) Box’s Friday AI demos

(21:23) How agents might redefine 100 years of management science

(26:37) A lesson on AI innovation from the early days of Ford

(29:52) Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella, and Sergey Brin are coding again?

(35:16) Pricing in a post-AI agent world

(38:43) Cheaper tokens, heavier usage: AI’s margin math

(43:02) Solving AI’s verifiability problem

(48:24) How Aaron uses AI in his personal life

Aaron's links:

• Box: https://www.box.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/boxaaron/
• X/Twitter: https://x.com/levie

Azeem’s links:

• Substack: https://www.exponentialview.co/
• Website: https://www.azeemazhar.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/azhar
• X/Twitter: https://x.com/azeem

This conversation was recorded for “Friday with Azeem Azhar”, live every Friday at 9 am PT / 12 pm ET. Catch it via Exponential View on Substack.

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Lennart Heim, a researcher and information scientist at RAND Corporation, joins Azeem Azhar to unpack a provocative claim: China is catching up with US AI capabilities, but it doesn't matter.

Timestamps:

(00:00) Episode trailer

(01:19) Lennart’s core thesis

(03:26)   Why compute matters so much

(07:31)  The investment split between model R&D and model execution

(11:18)  How test-time compute impacts costs

(16:14) The geopolitics of compute

(21:32) Why does the U.S have more compute capacity than China?

(25:01)  The trade-off between economic needs and national-security needs

(31:54)  How technology change might shift the battlegrounds

(35:33)  Dealing with compute and power concentration

(48:19)  Concluding quick-fire question

Lennart's links:

• Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/ohlennart
• Personal blog: https://heim.xyz/

Azeem's links:

• Substack: https://www.exponentialview.co/
• Website: https://www.azeemazhar.com/
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/azhar
• Twitter/X: https://x.com/azeem

This was originally recorded for "Friday with Azeem Azhar", a new show that takes place every Friday at 9am PT and 12pm ET. You can tune in through Exponential View on Substack.

Produced by supermix.io and EPIIPLUS1 Ltd