How can account managers and customer success teams become true drivers of growth in today’s competitive, profit-focused landscape? In this episode, Rod Cherkas, the author of “The Chief Customer Officer Playbook” and “Reach: A Framework for Driving Revenue Growth from Your Existing Customers,” joins Alex Raymond to share insights into his REACH Framework, a structured approach to uncovering expansion opportunities, building stronger customer relationships, and delivering consistent value.

Rod challenges the status quo by urging customer success teams to adopt a more revenue-focused mindset and demonstrates how methodologies like the REACH Framework can turn account management into a predictable, strategic function. With advice on navigating organizational challenges and fostering collaboration with enablement teams, he offers insights to help you make a measurable impact on growth while staying aligned with customer needs.

If you want to learn how to balance trusted advisory roles with revenue goals or move beyond short-term wins to achieve sustainable, long-term growth, join Alex and Rod as they share insights to transform the way your team works.

Quotes

• “It’s important for our listeners to understand that what’s important to your executive team, your CEO and your CFO is not just that you can deliver results in a particular quarter, but that you can deliver those results on an ongoing basis in a predictable, forecastable way.” (16:32 | Rod Cherkas)
• “What I’ve seen is that companies can load a lot of resources, look at their customer base, identify that white space, and create a whole bunch of opportunities in the short term. But then you get to next quarter, and you don’t have any way to redo that or predict what’s going to happen next quarter, the quarter after.” (16:56 | Rod Cherkas)
• “One of the objections I hear is that people feel like if they start talking about other solutions, they’re going to come across as too salesy or too pitchy, or they're going to lose their trusted advisor status. And I don’t believe that at all. I think that there are very thoughtful ways that you can be talking to your customer about how you can provide more value from the solutions that you offer to be mutually beneficial. People just don’t have the skill set.” (33:53 | Rod Cherkas)
• “Customer success organizations are moving too slow and need to move faster to take on more impact on the top line, whether they’re formally responsible for expansion bookings, or whether they have expectations that they’re identifying, uncovering, and nurturing those customers.” (37:05 | Rod Cherkas)

Links

Connect with Rod Cherkas:

Website: https://rodcherkas.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodcherkas/

Connect with Alex Raymond:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/afraymond/

Website: https://amplifyam.com/

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“It’s all about ‘what I want the customer to do based on what I care about.’ Nobody says that explicitly, but underlying that is a mindset still focused on what we need for our business to succeed, rather than what we need to do to help the customer’s business succeed,” says Shakeel Bharmal, as he highlights the critical gap between claiming customer-centricity and truly living it. Organizations must transition from self-serving goals to genuinely prioritizing the success of their customers—a shift that fosters trust, loyalty, and long-term growth for both parties.

In this episode, Shakeel Bharmal of The Summit Group shares how third box thinking can transform account management by reframing how we see our customers. Are we truly understanding their challenges, or are we just focused on pushing our own goals? Shakeel argues that meaningful growth starts with empathy—seeing the world through the lens of the customer’s customer.

Shakeel explains why customer-centricity often falls short despite all the tools and data available today. He offers practical ways to shift this mindset, starting with a simple exercise: map the value chain from your company to the end user. How often do we really take the time to ask, “What does the customer’s customer care about?”

Leadership also plays an important role in driving this change. Shakeel points out how consistent reinforcement from leaders can shape a culture that prioritizes long-term success over quick wins. The result? Stronger relationships, better alignment, and exponential growth potential.

Tune in to Shakeel and Alex Raymond’s discussion if you’re looking to deepen your impact as an account manager and create genuine value for your clients. How could embracing third box thinking change the way you approach your work?

Quotes

• “It’s all about ‘what I want the customer to do based on what I care about.’ Nobody says that explicitly, but underlying that is a mindset still focused on what we need for our business to succeed, rather than what we need to do to help the customer’s business succeed.” (07:50 | Shakeel Bharmal)
• “Third box thinking says if you are Box 1—your company, your customer’s Box 2, their customer is Box 3… By beginning the analysis on your customer’s customer, otherwise known as Box 3, you are now looking at the world not through your lens of what the customer cares about, but you’re looking at the world through the lens of your customer's customer, and looking at your customer from their customer’s perspective.” (13:53 | Shakeel Bharmal)
• “Imagine what the world would be like if we all thought about how the people we serve can be more effective, more impactful at serving the people they serve. And imagine if every human being on this planet took that approach of wanting to help the people that they serve serve the people they serve. Can you imagine the ripple effect of impact and change that would happen?” (18:02 | Shakeel Bharmal)

Links

Connect with Shakeel Bharmal:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shakeelbharmal/

Website: https://www.summitvalue.com/

Connect with Alex Raymond:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/afraymond/

Website: https://amplifyam.com/

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“We’re diplomats, we’re orchestrators, we’re figuring out how to thread the needle of client needs and agency ambitions,” explains James Hidden as he reflects on the complexities of account management in creative agencies. This role isn’t about following a script but about balancing strategy and creativity, structure and adaptability.

In this episode, James, who’s a seasoned account management leader and former managing director at Ogilvy, joins Alex Raymond to share how the best account managers navigate client relationships and agency dynamics. Why is listening more important than speaking? How does tenacity outweigh experience in this fast-paced world? James provides answers to these questions while challenging the way we think about roles in account management and project management.

From the shift to project-based engagements to the value of building a brand, James offers insights for anyone who’s looking to succeed in a marketing or creative agency. This episode is a call to embrace curiosity, prioritize relationships, and see every challenge as an opportunity to grow in this ever-changing, creative industry.

Quotes

• “We often say that at the agency, you’re the voice of the client to the agency and the voice of the agency to the client. So we’re diplomats, we’re orchestrators, we’re figuring out how to thread the needle of client needs and agency ambitions.” (03:30 | James Hidden)
• “Great account leadership is more than just execution and delivery; it’s about navigating the gray areas, triangulating the ultimately subjective challenges of great creativity, brand building, client needs, and brand requirements.” (05:13 | James Hidden)
• “The very best account leaders have this superpower of triangulation, of understanding what’s not being said as well as what is being said, understanding the brief behind the brief, picking up on that seemingly throwaway comments someone made in a meeting that might actually be a massive unlock to how we get past the challenge or sell the creative idea or whatever it might be.” (13:42 | James Hidden)
• “If you want 20% growth from a customer, you can sit on a Zoom call and do it that way. If you want 10x growth, you’ve got to go walk the hallways and spend time with them. That’s when you see all the other opportunities you wouldn’t otherwise have visibility into.” (18:12 | Alex Raymond)

Links

Connect with James Hidden:

Website: https://www.jameshidden.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jameshidden/

Connect with Alex Raymond:

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/afraymond/

Website: https://amplifyam.com/

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