In episode 4, we welcome Jen, a social worker from the Netherlands, who shares her experiences navigating the neurodivergent world with depth and vulnerability. Jen delves into the hidden costs of masking, the profound joy of unmasking, and the concept of “autistic joy”—those pure, unfiltered moments of delight in being true to oneself.

Haje and Jen explore the challenges of growing up undiagnosed and the journey toward self-identification as autistic. They discuss how masking can lead to burnout, the importance of creating inclusive workplaces, and the nuanced understanding of what it means to be authentically autistic. Jen also highlights her experience at Autscape, an autism-friendly conference, as a turning point in feeling deeply seen and understood.

This episode is a heartfelt exploration of resilience, acceptance, and the transformative power of connection. Join us for a candid conversation about the costs of masking, the beauty of autistic joy, and the possibilities of creating a world where difference is celebrated.

You can find more of Jen on TikTok, at @Jen.The.Rainbow, and she has a Dutch TikTok at @JenTheRainbowNL. You can also find her on YouTube at @JenTheRainbow.

Topics Covered:

• The challenges of late autism identification

• Masking and its impact on well-being

• Autistic joy and its significance

• Creating inclusive workspaces for neurodivergent individuals

• The role of self-identification and formal diagnoses

• Building authentic relationships while navigating masking

• Jen’s reflections on the Autscape conference as a space of belonging

Trigger Warnings: Brief mentions of burnout and mental health challenges. Listen at your discretion.