In this special Biohacking Conference edition of the Thrive State Podcast, Dr. Kien Vuu interviews Ukrainian psychologist, media personality, and global inspiration Natalia Kholodenko. From a childhood in a rural Soviet village to becoming a household name in Ukraine, Natalia’s journey is a masterclass in resilience, embodiment, and playful manifestation.

Natalia shares the power of visualization, how she used “walking interviews” to manifest a career in media, and why dreaming bigger than your trauma is the key to healing. Her insights blend science, storytelling, and soul — and her presence alone is medicine.

🔹 Visualization + movement to rewire your brain
🔹 The neuroscience of imagination and play
🔹 How trauma can ignite transformation
🔹 Healing through art, color, and embodied emotion

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• Childhood dreams, Napoleon Hill, and inner worlds

• Natalia’s rise to media stardom in Ukraine

• Motivation from poverty and rewriting family patterns

• First exposure to online work and global community

• Overcoming fear, judgment, and perfectionism

• “Walking interviews” as a brain training technique

• Embodied visualization, play, and neuroplasticity

• Dreaming bigger than trauma and coaching displaced women

• Group dream exercises and the power of new people

• Resilience after loss, stress, and war

• Drawing, color, and somatic healing tools